testing a wye delta motor

How can I do a power factor correction in a star-delta motor starter? I’m not able to understand the why the OLR will not take care the current on delta run. Open transition starting is the easiest to implement in terms or cost and circuitry and if the timing of the changeover is good, this method can work well. Overload Relay in Line: Disadvantage: If the overload is set to FLC, then it is not protecting the motor while it is in delta (setting is x1.732 too high). The current in star is 1/ √3= (58%) of the current in delta, so this contactor can be AC3 rated at one third (33%) of the motor rating. sir, what meaning of 240 delta/ 415 v star connection , please give me answer what its says , can motor run on delta or run on star, hi plz help me i neet to draw schema of startup delta-star for a water pump (75KW), Hi. Or you can install PDF printer on your Windows/Linux/OSX and print by choosing it. The v1/v2 winding in your diagram is connected to the same phase. Please send the your price with delivery period. Thanking you Manish. When the motor is disconnected from the supply (open transition) there is a spinning rotor within the stator and the rotor has a magnetic field. Ur page is thorough. Only lasting a few milliseconds it causes voltage surges and spikes. For a single voltage rating, most six-lead machines are … Its simple… Just check the continuity of terminals with help of multi meter. Six Terminal Motor Required (Delta Connected). Ayoub. These current peaks can be larger than the current peaks in the case of starting a stationary motor directly in the delta connection mode. When Star Contactor Coil (KM1) energized, Star Main and Auxiliary contactor change its position from NO to NC. This is achieved by introducing resistors to take up the current flow during the winding changeover. To size a cable for 6 times the nominal load current would be a massive waste of resources and money. Please check my comment by qualified person because I am not in electrical line. u r a teacher indeed. waitig in the future every electrical drawings/diagrams to get in my e-mail address. The main circuit breaker serves as the main power supply switch that supplies electricity to the power circuit. If the secondary is also Wye connected, two phases will have reduced voltage and the other will have zero volts. Curve A shows test values as measured; Curve B shows same values corrected to 20°C (see page 22), giving a definite downward trend toward an unsafe condition. When switch star to delta (low to high load ) any specific time need? received good response about any technical item that was written to you for answer. Any reading over 1 meg-ohm is sufficient. If leads are numbered 1 to 6, the winding can usually be connected wye or delta. which ideally is not necessary. Crank the megger and notice the reading. I have e-motor 7.5 hp driver driving 10 kw AC alternator, what value of mc should I use and model of the timer and o.l. The Star/Delta starter is manufactured from three contactors, a timer and a thermal overload. now drive is in trouble we tried to switching the motor with star delta starter but it is tripping continuously. This relation should strictly be adhered to for the optimal performance (and long levity) of the motor and starter switchgear. The line current increases three times its value in star connection. Dear Sir, We are Trading Company in Sri Lanka and doing Tender business with Govt Institution. But I have to size the transition resistor for the star-delta closed transition starter of a ID fan motor of 160kW, 400V, 50Hz, 4 poles. In the diagram of Power Circuit of Star Delta Starter, U2 and V2 of 3 phase motor should be connect to 4 and 6 respectively instead of U2 and V2 are connected to 6 and 4 of Delta Contector KM2. . Therefore the motor will not run but would trip the overload (or even worse if the overload is faulty or oversized, the motor would burn) because the motor is in effect “two phasing”. Thanks. Thanks. Kindly let me know. Sorry for asking immature questions. If interlock the main (KM3) with delta (KM2) could solve the problem, but there will be a millisecond open in the Main contactor during the changeover. Traditionally in many supply regions, there has been a requirement to fit a reduced voltage starter on all motors greater than 5HP (4KW). either VFD is recommended or higher HP/KW motor is recommended. The correct way to wire for Forward (also known as clockwise) rotation we need to wire as follows: Main set contacts from left to right (terminals 2—4—6): U1—V1—-W1 Delta set contacts from left to right (terminals 2— 4—6): V2—W2—-U2, For Reverse (also known as counter-clockwise) rotation we need to wire as follows: Main set contacts from left to right (terminals 2— 4—6): V1—U1—-W1 Delta set contacts from left to right (terminals 2— 4—6): U2—W2—-V2. The motor might indeed rotate in the opposite direction but if the wires are not connected in the correct sequence as I stated above, then you most probably would have the gotten motor’s “Phase Sequence” wrong, which would result in the development of very high current peaks in the “Open Transient Phase” when the Star-Delta starter is switching between the “Star” and “Delta” modes. (NEC 430.52 table suggest the short circuit protective device to be less than 250%FLA for inverse time breaker.). These are AC3 rated at 58% of the current rating of the motor. Thanks, Can you guys please try and introduce a section whereby a drawing can also be accompanied by images, sir, can you please explain how to find out star and delta connection in motor, upto how many kilowatts using star delta starter. Hi, Please tell me where is the normal phase , neutral & Motor phase can be found in the star delta starter, I want to connect a simple circuit which need these 3 as input to it , so kindly help me in finding, Dear Sir/Madam, In the star delta diagram it is giving the impression that the V1 and V2 will be connected together when in delta configuration. On machines rated for two voltages, the wye connection is for the high voltage; the delta connection is for the low voltage. Dear Sir, As per your given Fig. Hi! How to use timear in starter with daegram? How we swap them around depends on what rotation we need from the motor, “Forward” (also known as clockwise) or “Reverse” Reverse (also known as counter clockwise) rotation. When Star Main Contactor (KM1) close its connect Motor connects on STAR and it’s connected in STAR until Time Delay Auxiliary contact KT (3) become NC to NO. Figure 4–Typical record of insulation resistance of a mill motor. Will u please send the correct diagram to my mail. The Star/Delta (or Wye/Delta) starter is one of the lowest cost electromechanical reduced voltage starters that can be applied. the star delta stater has correct voltage and frequency to main and auxiliary circuits.when the start button is operated a single contactor is hard to operate, but the motor does not run.whent the start button is released,a contactor is heard to move again? For a star-delta starter there is a possibility to place the overload protection in two positions, in the line or in the windings. In your system There is One more STAR contact required for supply main contactor. I was looking at this article to confirm the idea after designing my own star/delta switch… the common V1/V2 in delta mode in this diagram was confessing the hell out of me. Study specialized technical articles, electrical guides, and papers. There are two contactors that are close during run, often referred to as the main contractor and the delta contactor. The time by which motor accelerates to full speed (which can be observed by pointer of Analog Ammeter connected) is the time of star to delta change over. THANKS, pl clarify for star delta starter while calculating the voltage drop during starting and voltage drop during running which current is considered i,e either phase or line current and how much length to be consider i,e either twice or single length, I agree with eng Ahmed these point I did not understand why do V1 and V2 have the same phase voltage apply , shall it work or we must change V2 to R and W2 to Y, Hi I thing the cct not work because no voltage applied at V! If leads T4, T5 and T6 are wired together and power is applied to leads T1, T2 and T3, a Wye connection is achieved. In the way the motor are now connected, the “Yellow” (Y) supply phase is connected on both sides of the “V” winding resulting in no voltage over that specific winding. In an induction motor, however, there is a possibility to see the difference: Record the stator voltage when the rotor is rotated and see if you have very low triplen harmonics (use FFT to see frequency contents). Live B should be connected between W1 and V2, Please sir,I want to know more on star- delta connection and on line connection. Star delta used upto how many hp of motors, sir, IFL -stands for what , FLC -full load current. If located at incoming line it would sense the FLC,why have you mentioned it as high?. circuit confuse me i think its a wrong circuit plz recorect or remove it…thanks, yes its wrong..really confused the hell out of me . on full load running condition in delta what load become if one resistance break? The star-delta method is usually only applied to low to medium voltage and light starting Torque motors. Most people are accustomed to the single-phase AC power that is delivered to homes, but three-phase AC is used extensively in distribution systems and for powering industrial equipment. The currents through the winding are 1/root 3 (58%) of the current in the line. While this is happening “Coasting” it may generate a voltage of its own, and on connection to the supply this voltage can randomly add to or subtract from the applied line voltage. During starting the motor windings are connected in star configuration and this reduces the voltage across each winding 3. Once the time delay is reached its specified Time, the timer’s auxiliary contacts (KT)(3) in Star Coil circuit will change its position from NC to NO and at the Same Time  Auxiliary contactor (KT) in Delta Coil Circuit(4) change its Position from NO To NC so Delta coil energized and  Delta Main Contactor becomes NO To NC. Pl suggest / guide. The ON push button starts the circuit by initially energizing Star Contactor Coil (KM1) of star circuit and Timer Coil (KT) circuit. If V1 and I1 are at 0°, the relay will report the angle as 0° because it is in phase with Va-Vn. Please provide me with the value of resistances (ohms) and power (Watts). • Wye-Delta: A Wye-Delta connection is found in three-wire transformer applications requiring a neutral and service of loads the secondary side. so kindly help me for this. Dear sir, Thank you for explaining it so beautifully that almost covered my doubts but Does FLC stands for full load current and what does IFL stands for. In such condition, if star to delta switching is done before fan/motor achieves at least 80% of rated speed, this type of problem of tripping on overload occurs. A NIDEC Group Company. Hi, thank you for the great article. Table 1. As the starting current is very high and if we select the cable on full load amps so can it bear the high inrush current? There is minor correction is require to change (printed in boxes) sequence of 3 phase wires from W2 V2 U2 to W2 U2 V2 to get Delta connection properly. Wye-Delta Open, Single Source Inrush Current: 200% Motor Starting Operation: After receiving a start signal, our model MCO controller energizes the first run contactor and the wye contactor to connect the motor to the line in wye. This method of connecting is the correct way to connect the motor to the “Star-Delta” diagram as shown in the article above…that is, if you leave the wiring on the “line side” of the main and delta contactors as it currently are. In close transition there are four states: It is Important the pause between star contactor switch off and Delta contactor switch is on correct. Disadvantage: If the overload is set to FLC, then it is not protecting the motor while it is in delta (setting is x1.732 too high). Just drop an URL od article and everything is the very same. Peak starting torque: 33% Full Load Torque. UVW WVU is wrong. Check the Wye-Delta connections for arching or burn marks. Very informative. Thanks for bringing this up. in our organisation one problem is facing while using star delta starter for 165kw motor having 391FLA. thanks u very much, i like the drawing traced in the website which is clear and detail drg. 5) that time Star contactor coil get supply it will open delta contactor line. A motor can be connected either way using these links as shown below. wanted to know how to come up with star delta starter with timer, I would like to request a Forward-Reverse Star-Delta operation, There is a big mistake (an error) in the above power circuit of star-delta. Peak starting current: 1.3 to 2.6 Full Load Current. These are AC3 rated at 58% of the current rating of the motor. The control of the contactors is by the timer (K1T) built into the starter. But REMEMBER this….just because it turns in the direction you want it to turn DOES NOT mean the motor is connected in the “Correct Phase Sequence”. MCA Testing On A WYE Start DELTA Run Motor Using an ATIV, AT33IND and AT5 Frequently, when a process has a high inertial load, a six lead motor will be used as it can be connected in a WYE configuration while starting to limit current, and then switched to a DELTA configuration automatically by the motor controller once it has come up to speed. as per my knowledge you have to interchange timer coil & main contactor coil idealy. Hi i want t know about the panels used in industry especially the mcc’s and the one in the power house for the distribution, thanks for your explanation it is a precise explanation. Changed the phase sequence. He has more than 13 years experience in transmission & distribution-energy theft detection and maintenance electrical projects. Dear sir Star delta power cricket is wrong. Where load torque during acceleration is very low. We presently worked on Asia’s #1 rice industry using programmable logic control. We would like to check if using VSD will cause any damages to the motors. This is known as transient current. When a motor is driven by the supply, either at full speed or at part speed, there is a rotating magnetic field in the stator. Specially in 15 Ho moter, the base line for timer setting is around 10 until 20 seconds. A wiring diagram is a simplified conventional photographic depiction of an electrical circuit. Try it. To limit the starting current surge, large induction motors are started at reduced voltage and then have full supply voltage reconnected when they run up to near rotated speed. In the drawing in the article above If we leave the “line side” of the main and delta contactors wiring as it currently are, then we need to swap around some “motor cables” on the “motor side” of the main and delta contactors to correct the error. Delta and wye networks are used in conjunction with three-phase power(as you will see below, the delta configuration is also found in a bridge rectifier circuit). Cause in star it didn’t. Hope it will be solved. It’s informative for the beginners. Wye-Delta starting requires, as the name implies, a switching of the motor windings from one connection (wye) to another (delta). For low- to high-power three-phase motors. This sequence happens in a friction of time. (Scheme – Control Circuit of Star-Delta Starter (Open Transition)). I was better before. After a period of time the winding are reconfigured as delta and the motor runs normally. thanks a bunch for a job well done. If the motor is too heavily loaded, there will not be enough torque to accelerate the motor up to speed before switching over to the delta position. [I assumed the R connected to U1 correctly, and U2 then connects through the Delta Contactor KM2 to the B phase. I did replace the breaker since it was defective and it ran for a couple of days, but I’m back at square one since it’s tripping again. Thank you, hai sir i need a ppt about star-delta starter couid you please send it to my gmail please sir it is urgent. my only problem is that i really cant differentiate the control circuit type. Because I,ve known how to make control but then it confuses me on how to connect the 3 wires (3Ø) coming from the overload relay into the motor terminal leads. Star-delta motor starter explained in details. Star/Delta starters are probably the most common reduced voltage starters. Voltage reduction during star-delta starting is achieved by physically reconfiguring the motor windings as illustrated in the figure below. u r a teacher. What is the rating of MCCB for the branch circuit in terms of motor Full load current (FLA) when the starter is star delta ? The control circuit consists of push button switches, auxiliary contacts and a timer. If the resistance of the resistors is too high, they will not swamp the voltage generated by the motor and will serve no purpose. A multimeter terminals placed across this matrix of terminals will indicate the following readings for a good 3 phase motor: Reverse side of card (at right) is used to record the test data. When the motor is reconnected to the supply, it is reclosing onto an unsynchronized generator and, Get access to premium HV/MV/LV technical articles, electrical engineering guides, research studies and much more! The third contactor is the star contactor and that only carries star current while the motor is connected in star. Hi I have a 75 hp motor 1475 rpm what size star delta starter should I use and the size of over load relay. How ever the total current will flow through the OLR contacts. Can u please guide us. The initial connection should be in the star pattern that results in a reduction of the line voltage by a factor of 1/√3 (57.7%) to the motor and the current is reduced to 1/3 of the current at full voltage, but the starting torque is also reduced 1/3 to … ], we are unable to download in pdf . He is member of Institution of Engineers (MIE), India. Disadvantage: We must use separate short circuit and overload protections. & V2 this coil supplied from same phase (Y) thanks. The rating of Overload (In Line) = FLC of Motor. The main contactor connects the reference source voltage R, Y, B to the primary terminal of the motor U1, V1, W1. Dear Sir, One of the best Knowledge and True information i have got. Friday, January 6, 2017 For induction motors if you run the motor at a high flux level the winding flux magnetizing current has a significant third harmonic content that can flow around the Delta winding without appearing in the lines to the VFD. Thank you Eng. There is a relation between windings of the motor and how they are connected to the supply and each other via the Star-Delta starter. The current in star is one third of the current in delta, so this contactor can be AC3 rated at one third (33%) of the motor rating. The practical approach is to work out the time by running the drive in star condition with timer control disconnected (so that star to delta change over does not occur for this experimental run). Someone have an idea of the impact of having one of the motor winding reversed (exemple: if wires U1-U2 and V1-V2 are connect normaly but W1-W2 are swapped. If i have a 2700kW 11000V 4 pole motor and i wire it up to a VSD with an output voltage of 6350V. A normally close auxiliary contact from both star and delta contactors (5&6)are also placed opposite of both star and delta contactor coils, these interlock contacts serves as safety switches to prevent simultaneous activation of both star and delta contactor coils, so that one cannot be activated without the other deactivated first. It shows the parts of the circuit as streamlined forms, as well as the power as well as signal links between the gadgets. These are awesome answers! Most induction motors are started directly on line, but when very large motors are started that way, they cause a disturbance of voltage on the supply lines due to large starting current surges. appreciate the explanation. please explain control circuit for star delta starter without timer. Star Delta Starters Explained. The equivalent of 33% that is obtained with Direct Online (DOL) starting. So here is where I lost confidence and my question. Currently the motors run using Star Delta. We are using 75kw @ 2pole motor for our fire fighting pump, but during start at star circuit we measured its load reached 170ampere, and during delta ampere drops to 80ampere. the motor is using for induced draft fan. It is relatively cheap compared to other reduced voltage methods. In practice though it is difficult to set the necessary timing to operate correctly and disconnection/reconnection of the supply can cause significant voltage/current transients. If you looked at the power dissipation over time, it does not carry enough energy to create significant heat generation through I^2R losses due to the thermal inertia of the Cu/Al material. How to check a 3 phase motor system. Hope the writer shall agree. A correction needs to be made in power circuit wiring I.e. The auxiliary contactor and resistors are connected across the delta contactor. 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